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Yeah, for sure. Even before one person I knew started on hormones or anything, that person actually felt good about aspects of their body that had previously hated after they realized they were trans.
This TERF thinks trans men ate products of an "androcentric culture"
Here is that PEAK TERF
“Trans men are men (but transwomen are not women)” por Holly Lawford-Smith https://link.medium.com/M5cIuNBgC9
"All trans people are men" is something I've seen espoused in one form or another by a lot of transphobes. It would kinda funny, actually, if it weren't so sad and harmful.
"TERF Arielle Scarcella gets featured on anti-feminist podcast." I think these particular Australians are just a racist (the kind of racist that thinks people of European ancestry are sub-human) tankie. Their name suggests they’re a North Korea apologist, even.
JK Rowling accuses trans allies of virtue-signaling and wanting "cookie ooints" on Twitter.
On the one hand, yes, it is "virtue signalling". On the other, that doesn't make it a bad thing to do. It makes it abundantly clear that trans people have those allies, even if some number of them wouldn't be great at following through with actual substantial support.
"Hmmmm.... this TERF knows exactly who Natalie Mars is and immediately recognizes her.....hmmmmm......I wonder how?"
Natalie is definitely a common name for trans women, but I expect it’s got much more to do with the number of men of a certain age named Nathaniel or Nicholas or something else that starts with ‘N’ and a fairly common desire to keep the same first letter/sound for simplicity’s sake. The sound aspect definitely played a role in the name choice of someone I know. Both his/her old name and his/her real one start with nearly the same sound.
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Something nice for once: Margaret Atwood says trans rightsi.redd.it/69zse3...
I've read a number of essays written by Margaret Atwood on more current issues and this doesn't surprise me at all. She's always been a thoughtful person with a good amount of empathy, but most importantly she's open to having her mind changed by reasoned argument and evidence.
The example that I remember most clearly is the change in her feelings about "science fiction". She had long avoided using the term for her writing, despite it clearly applying in a lot of ways, because she felt her work wasn't just genre fiction tat, it had more substance.
But she changed her tune on that a number of years ago in response to cogent critiques from readers. It's hard for me to imagine that a person like her could not end up supporting trans rights once presented with the evidence, no matter what her past opinions on the matter might have been.
And unlike many other feminists of her generation, she hasn't fallen for TERF rhetoric or ended up carrying water for the right wing (looking at you, Christina Hoff-Summers) when she critiques the actions of modern feminism and the like (vis a vis her criticism of cancel culture and support for freedom of expression, even the expression of those she clearly takes major issue with).
She -WONDERS- why people call her transphobic. I don't condone death threats, but jfc dehumanizing is a bit much, don't ya think?
Blaire is messed up but so is Jessice Yaniv. This is just two awful people tearing each other down.
Jessica Yaniv is a beast in a dress (though obviously she is a human and deserves the same rights we all do), but she'd very likely be a beast in a dress if she'd been born a cis woman. It's not being AMAB making her a heinously awful person.
"I've found the TERF Playbook."https://www.reddit.com/r/GenderCritical/comments/edv0z7/i_am_sorry_for_being_a_coward/"
"That 'professional-managerial class' wouldn't happen to come with distinctive noses, would they? (or, today's edition of 'TERF or alt-right')"
No, no they wouldn't. That term has an actual meaning and as far as I've seen it hasn't been subverted to be anti-Semitic. The Professional-Manegerial Class is essentially educated white-collar workers who perform services or work as intermediaries rather than creating things (think HR people, administrators, to some degree doctors, lawyers, but NOT engineers, programmers). The prototype is Karen from HR, not Avram your lawyer.
"Is it safe to call Blaire White a TERF bootlicker?"
"Yup. Same with gay politicians voting against equal marriage rights. The outcome doesnt affect them anyway, there rich so they can do what they want and they mostly want to keep their money"
I am saying this from the perspective of me being Transgender:
"I can actually understand that to some degree because I can see myself prioritizing the environment and climate change over my own rights by voting for a party that was good on the former and shit on the latter. Such a party doesn't really exist right now and left-wing parties with good environmental policy do, thankfully, so I'm not forced to make that choice, but I can see a gay libertarian feeling like they are being put in such a position. Hell, a socially conservative Christian who's a strong environmentalist (and/or economically left) is constantly put into that position in the current political landscape.
I think it's fairly understandable for a gay Republican politician to have voted against equal marriage rights as well. "Understandable" doesn't make it "right", but it means I'm not going to judge them too harshly until I know more. The reality for them is that their constituents are probably fairly anti-gay so voting for marriage equality could result in some wingnut extremist knocking them out in the next primary election.
Also, they can use that vote as a bargaining chip to get other things that are in their view good, since one lone "yes" for marriage equality among the Republicans isn't likely to have much impact on the outcome of the legislation. It's shitty but it's politics and it can be used for good ends. Now, a gay Republican who is genuinely against marriage equality, now that one is much harder to wrap one's head around, but in short it's often much more about what they think the purpose of marriage is than it is the result of internalized homophobia.
"Detrans poster; I'm detrans, people I knew in High School are transitioning HOW DO I SAVE THEM FROM THEMSELVES?"
The hilarious thing about what they’re saying for me is that as I actually transitioned I got a lot less interested in gender-bendy porn/erotica (mostly the latter). Transitioning solved my porn “issue” in as much as I had one. It’s not like I don’t have a sex drive, it’s just that I’m not living vicariously through these characters (who were basically always poor shadows anyway) now that I’m able to be myself in the real world and my body is feeling more my own.
I mean, there obviously is one, at least in the sense that there are plenty of activists who make noise and influence policy (and of course the other side has their activists as well). I think part of why the trans rights thing gained so much mindshare relatively quickly after the marriage equality movement in the US got its big victory is because people were able to build on the work done by those activists and use the same infrastructure.
Hell, it's a lot of the same people involved, they just moved onto the next major goal. The movement already had a big platform, so in places where the government wanted support from LGBTQ+ activists and related groups, the legislation happened amazingly quickly compared to the gay rights stuff. And because so many companies are based in left-leaning cities, they ended up jumping on the bandwagon to some degree.
"TERF is asked to define "chair," and the hamster falls off the wheel."
This is such a Diogenes moment. Supposedly, after Plato had been applauded for defining 'man' as "a featherless biped", Diogenes plucked a rooster and brought it into Plato's school and proclaimed, "Here is Plato's man!" Plato then revised his definition of 'man' to "a featherless biped with flat nails".
While that definition may have served for Plato, these days we know that definitions are inherently a bit fuzzy and boundaries somewhat artificial. Defining what is or is not a "chair" with rules and pure propositional logic is probably a fool's errand and the same is true for "man" and "woman".
Instead we look at the objects that exist or can be imagined, draw a circle around a cluster of them that share characteristics, and say "things like these are chairs". There will be grey areas and boundary disputes, but nonetheless, we can say that a thing is a chair and have that mean something, even though we can't describe exactly what makes a chair a chair in a way that has no naked rooster-sized holes. And of course, the same goes for gender. With gender, we at least have the advantage that we can ask the object of our query what they are, making them the final arbiter.
Also, some trans people are WAY better at playing the linguistics and philosophy/epistemology game, but that just tends to make the TERF pick up their toys and run home, sadly.
"Seeing the variety among women's bodies makes trans woman feel good; TERFs are furious about this but can't decide why"
Yeah, it's interesting to think about, all the bits and pieces that go into shaping our identities, both biological and social. Part of the reason my relative IDed so poorly with masculinity was because he looked pretty feminine for a male. I male failed once when I had short hair and a goatee, believe it or not.
My relative would probably still be trans if that wasn't the case, but who knows? Though in his case he actually ALSO had pretty high testosterone, which gives me no end of amusement.
"A relative of mine came out as trans. How do I convince my family that she's a minor attracted person?"
I am sorry for you being harassed that shit isn’t cool no matter who does it, but can you at least imagine why terfs like you might feel justified in being extremely angry at you terfs and thinking you terfs are hateful persons, given what terfs have said?
I don’t know you or your trans relative, but please give her a chance. For one, lots of people are a bit odd early in transition, it’s this awkward in-between stage and we haven’t figured everything out yet or learned the required skills. I’m sure you were born a fully-formed and perfect woman but some of us didn’t get a correctly-gendered childhood in which to figure all this shit out.
People are going to call non binary people women, and those enbys should not stop them, it's more accurate than calling them a man. Because random people aren't privy to all enbys internal stuff that is super enby, they just see a feminine presentation.
"Terfs confused that their bigotry is being called out, with a side of fearmongering.cbc.ca/radio/..."
I'm going to be the token voice in support of the librarian here. She's right about freedom of expression and the library is a public space that is open to everyone who obeys a few basic rules. You don't have to go listen to the talk and you can go hold up signs outside telling everyone that the people in conference room 3B are transphobic assholes, but I think everyone deserves a voice, even if they use it in a shitty way.
Freedom of expression is fundamental to our progress as a society, it's why we have trans rights in Canada, parts of the US, and anywhere else.
Let's turn this around, shall we? Remember back a few decades ago when we REALLY were in society's bad books?
Freedom of expression is why the religious right couldn't shut trans people out completely. The principle of freedom of expression is what allowed trans people to find each other, to survive, to get their message out, to show the world that they are humans too, humans who deserve the same rights as everyone else, who shouldn't be barred from participating fully in society because of who they are, how they look, or who they love.
If trans people turn our back on that principle as soon as it stops benefiting them what kind of people are they are? How can trans people call themselves good or moral or anything like that if they only stick to their principles when it's convenient?
You want to prove that you're better than the TERFs? Fucking act like it. Let them have their say and win on the battlefield of ideas rather than doing this authoritarian deplatforming nonsense which only feeds the TERFs' persecution complexes and loses you support among the general public (whose support is critical for the continued existence and advancement of trans rights)
"Using CRISPR to change all chromosomes would be horrifically dangerous and mostly ineffective. The more realistic alternative would be to turn ovaries into semi-functioning testes, and vice versa, by deleting a single gene. The neogonads can produce their own hormones and are identical to natal gonads down to the genetic and cellular level. Unfortunately, they wouldn’t have their own gametes, but you can turn human skin cells into viable ova and spermatozoa. There’s still a cancer risk atm, but they could improve the technology to avoid that. It might take a long while before that stuff is approved for humans, though, so don’t get your hopes up until it works on the chimps."
That's actually very clever. You'd then presumably move the gonads to a suitable location during gender confirmation surgery rather than removing them either at the same time or beforehand, at least in MtF cases.
What's encouraging is how several people reportedly discovered his status throughout his life and chose not to expose him. Even in a time where being transgender wasn't a familiar idea, they responded in a respectful and supportive way.
I think a lot of suspicion and fear of trans people today is drummed up by introducing them as an abstract concept, an imaginary, unified enemy, vilified by the conservative media before the listener has even met a trans person (that they know of). Conversely, living in the 19th century with no knowledge of the issue until you're suddenly confronted with the fact that your old army buddy was born a female would allow you to approach the topic without those preconceptions.
Same with homosexuality, I'd expect.
I think something that also plays into this is how these things got medicalized as they were named and demonized. They weren't just a somewhat abstract moral wrong (which you might overlook if you liked the person), they were a sickness, and the notion of sickness carries a ton of baggage with it. That leads to people treating someone being trans or gay in similar ways to someone who has cholera or smallpox, with the added moral corruption aspect preventing much in the way of sympathy except from the very foresighted.
"Friendly reminder that TERFs "movements" are funded by right wingish organizations."
"Anyone who complains about their child "succumbing to ROGD" merely outs themselves as a shitty neglectful parent who ignores their children except to pathologize them"
Same same. In fact I know they felt it was sudden and that my friend was moving too fast because they said so at length. My friend honestly understood their worries, though coming up on one year post-coming-out they still are beating much the same drum and it’s feeling a lot less plausible. But like you this had been building for ages for my friend, He'er has been struggling with things for over a decade and had been questioning his'er gender specifically for a few years at that point.
"GC: You're not a normal woman if you have a receding hairline"
This is hilarious. Also, it's kind of amusing because my friend's cousin is AMAB and has a hairline that looks somewhat like male pattern baldness (on top of a forehead large enough to be called a fivehead) but very definitely isn't (because it's been the same since early puberty at least and their father has had the exact same hairline as them for the last 40+ years).
It was kind of annoying for my friend's cousin going to get hair cut as a guy in his late 20s because he would get the "oh, it's such a shame you're losing your hair so early" from the stylist and they wouldn't really believe you when you said it had been the exact same for over a decade. My friend's cousin actually haven't gotten the hair cut since my friend's cousin really started getting consistently read as female, so I wonder what sort of reaction they might get to their hairline these days. They do still feel like they can't wear my hair in certain ways because they expose the shape of their hairline too much.
"TERF thinks "cis" is made-up and a SLUR, but TiF/TiM isn't"
Indeed. Same. It's okay to be a straight man and like girl dick or lesbian and like girl dick, but it's certainly not a requirement for either. Seriously, I totally understand having genital preferences even if I don't myself, because I have food preferences and some pretty strong ones at that. Just don't be a dick when someone has a dick you didn't expect and I won't yell at people who forget to tell me they put broccoli in something I'm going to eat. And like food preferences, one may realize at some point that their preferences have changed or weren't what they thought they were, like I did with onions at some point in my teenage years (and dick in my late 20s).
"Kids are taught to compartmentalize so hard that by the time you even learn about chromosomes, you've already normalized the idea of a universal rule that has exceptions, despite that such a thing is completely impossible. It's actually a broader issue than just this, but it's why you'll see things like "gender is always based on chromosomes, except intersex people are a valid exception, except trans people are not a valid exception." They aren't taught to consider the total (il)logic of it so they only ever view it one piece at a time".
I think this is fundamentally a limitation in how humans think. Our brain tries to be efficient when it stores stuff, and it’s likely that a rule like “always Z or V, except when W” is super easy to store compared to a rule that consistently catches the exceptions as an inherent feature. It’s why you get hanging categories, like a concept of “sound” that isn’t either vibrations in the air or what your brain interprets those as, which makes “If a tree falls in the forest, does it make a sound?” a thing that people can argue about endlessly.
"I wonder how many TERFs that subscribe to the strict chromosome rule are XY females with an inactive SRY Gene."
Probably not a ton, to my knowledge that genotype is pretty rare, but there are likely some. Same goes for XY TERFs with complete androgen insensitivity.
Gendercynical wrongly banned my sister's brother's trans female friend for being insufficiently in line with the circlejerk. Even though said banned person was trans, hates TERFs, she just didn’t want people believing wrong things about them (the true stuff is bad enough), so they wrongly got a ban. She is actually also banned from GenderCritical, which she’ll wear like a badge of honor.
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